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Gentile

Cullman, AL

#1 Jun 29, 2017
So who is doing this? Angelo Musitano was killed a month ago. Pat Musitano SUV was set on fire two years ago, and now his house was fired upon just this past Tuesday. Anthony Musitano father of both Angelo and Pat, was seen talking to his nephew Joe Avignone, Frank Berlatto, and Carlo Conti this afternoon. Some are saying this is from the spill of Montreal turmoil, others say it is Toranto paying back on the Rocca hit, while a few think that Angelo was killed for the Johnny Pop's hit, and a couple of others think it is the Luppinos with backing from Buffalo. Montreal connections, Domenico Jr a cousin to Angelo and Pat was seen talking with Manna of Rizzuto family in April. Toronto, Vincenzo Cassimo has been spotted in Hamilton once a week since March. Johnny Pops, Bruno Monaco talked with Angelo Musitano two days before Angelo was killed, Monaco was also in Buffalo having a talk with Frank.
Frank

Joliet, IL

#2 Jun 29, 2017
Gentile wrote:
So who is doing this? Angelo Musitano was killed a month ago. Pat Musitano SUV was set on fire two years ago, and now his house was fired upon just this past Tuesday. Anthony Musitano father of both Angelo and Pat, was seen talking to his nephew Joe Avignone, Frank Berlatto, and Carlo Conti this afternoon. Some are saying this is from the spill of Montreal turmoil, others say it is Toranto paying back on the Rocca hit, while a few think that Angelo was killed for the Johnny Pop's hit, and a couple of others think it is the Luppinos with backing from Buffalo. Montreal connections, Domenico Jr a cousin to Angelo and Pat was seen talking with Manna of Rizzuto family in April. Toronto, Vincenzo Cassimo has been spotted in Hamilton once a week since March. Johnny Pops, Bruno Monaco talked with Angelo Musitano two days before Angelo was killed, Monaco was also in Buffalo having a talk with Frank.
From what I read Domenic was their dad .Anthony is their uncle. Lots going down in Canada since Vito imprisoned and since. Didn't someone say it could go all the way back to the Rizzuto Cotroni change in leadership
Gentile

United States

#3 Jun 29, 2017
Frank Cotroni Jr, doesn't want any heat. He already had a series of shitdowns with Leo Rizzuto and Stefano, so there really is nothing there, except some sort of allegiance between the two factions to brace against Toronto.
Frank

Joliet, IL

#4 Jun 29, 2017
Gentile wrote:
Frank Cotroni Jr, doesn't want any heat. He already had a series of shitdowns with Leo Rizzuto and Stefano, so there really is nothing there, except some sort of allegiance between the two factions to brace against Toronto.
Do you think it's the same people that have killed Rizzuto members.
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#5 Jun 30, 2017
I say the Cotroni faction were behind some of the killings in Montreal at the start of the conflict. Right now the two strongest candidates for this is the Violi family which has taken part in the Montreal war, and Papalia family still part of Buffalo. The Violi family was with Buffalo, but it started to deteriorating by the 1990's, then split officially when Tadoro took over.
Frank

Joliet, IL

#6 Jun 30, 2017
Gentile wrote:
I say the Cotroni faction were behind some of the killings in Montreal at the start of the conflict. Right now the two strongest candidates for this is the Violi family which has taken part in the Montreal war, and Papalia family still part of Buffalo. The Violi family was with Buffalo, but it started to deteriorating by the 1990's, then split officially when Tadoro took over.
At the beginning wasn't it Sal Montagna and DeJaurdin and a calabrian group and some other Rizutto people. Maybe the Musitano were in on that.
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#7 Jun 30, 2017
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At the beginning wasn't it Sal Montagna and DeJaurdin and a calabrian group and some other Rizutto people. Maybe the Musitano were in on that.
The Cotroni's were with them, with Joe Di Maulo a top Cotroni member of the faction leading the charge. When Vito Rizzuto came home, Joe was one of the many finally killed. The Violi family is definitely behind Nick Rizzuto Snr murder, and Paolo Renda disappearance, with suspects in another 5 killings. The Musitano are allies to the Rizzuto family, Tony and Vito go way back 1970's before either of them raised to power, Tony getting there first in Hamilton in the 1980's, and Vito Rizzuto during the 1990's. Sal Montagna used the Cotroni faction has Vinny Gorgeous was told they were still friendly with the Bonanno family, compared to the Rizzuto faction. Nick Rizzuto Snr never liked Joe Massino and there is an informant in the RCMP of a plot starting to form in 1992 about Nick Srn, Manna, Renda, and Frank Cotroni having a meeting to remove Massino. They allegedly named to reasons, one was the 1981 incident (meaning Joe was responsible for disposing the three capos) Vito Rizzuto and three other Montreal members were the actual shooters. The other one is a 1987 incident, the only thing that comes to my mind about that is the murder of Gabe Infinite, a Bonanno capo. I have seen nothing to indicate that Gabe had connections to Montreal, only to St. Catherine. This plot never took place for an unknown reason.
Frank

Joliet, IL

#8 Jul 1, 2017
Gentile wrote:
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The Cotroni's were with them, with Joe Di Maulo a top Cotroni member of the faction leading the charge. When Vito Rizzuto came home, Joe was one of the many finally killed. The Violi family is definitely behind Nick Rizzuto Snr murder, and Paolo Renda disappearance, with suspects in another 5 killings. The Musitano are allies to the Rizzuto family, Tony and Vito go way back 1970's before either of them raised to power, Tony getting there first in Hamilton in the 1980's, and Vito Rizzuto during the 1990's. Sal Montagna used the Cotroni faction has Vinny Gorgeous was told they were still friendly with the Bonanno family, compared to the Rizzuto faction. Nick Rizzuto Snr never liked Joe Massino and there is an informant in the RCMP of a plot starting to form in 1992 about Nick Srn, Manna, Renda, and Frank Cotroni having a meeting to remove Massino. They allegedly named to reasons, one was the 1981 incident (meaning Joe was responsible for disposing the three capos) Vito Rizzuto and three other Montreal members were the actual shooters. The other one is a 1987 incident, the only thing that comes to my mind about that is the murder of Gabe Infinite, a Bonanno capo. I have seen nothing to indicate that Gabe had connections to Montreal, only to St. Catherine. This plot never took place for an unknown reason.
So Cotroni an Rizzuto we're captains in the Bonanno family or were they the heads of own separate crime families.And the same quetion about ajohnny Pops and Luppino we're they made men in Buffalo family or their own families. Also do you first think Buffalo is still a crime family and if so maybe they are behind the Musitano hit.
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#9 Jul 1, 2017
Frank wrote:
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So Cotroni an Rizzuto we're captains in the Bonanno family or were they the heads of own separate crime families.And the same quetion about ajohnny Pops and Luppino we're they made men in Buffalo family or their own families. Also do you first think Buffalo is still a crime family and if so maybe they are behind the Musitano hit.
That history goes back to the 1950's, when Joe Bonanno had to send Carmine Galante to Canada, cause Carmine was stepping on a lot of New York, New Jersey and Florida mobsters toes. Carmine Galante was the Godfather to one of Vincenzo Cotroni daughters. Vic Cotroni ran the Calabrians faction of Montreal, Luigi Greco ran the Sicilian faction. Galante was never underboss, but served as acting underboss, during the Frank Carroll and Johnny Burns transaction in the Bonanno family. There were 3 Bonanno crews in Montreal with about 35 made members before Galante went to prison, Luigi Greco inherited most of Galante crew as they were sicilians, while Vic Cotroni got a lot of Carmine's action (Narcotics and gambling joints). Nicolo Rizzuto Srn took over for Greco when he died, during the Bonanno war of the 1960's, Montreal was thinking of splitting from the Bonanno family. Then there was a war in Montreal in the 70's between Cotroni faction (Galante Loyalist) and Rizzuto faction (Rastelli Loyalist).

The Papalia family and Luppino were with Buffalo, but they were mainly loyal to The Wolf, and Paolo Violi who was made by Stefano Magaddino of Buffalo, plus Violi was married to Giacomo Luppino's daughter. Angelo Musitano was independent from them, but hooked up with Nick Rizzuto Snr, and Pasquale Ferriri drug operations, thus aligning with the Sicilians, despite being Calabrian, yet still following Toronto Calabrians rule on many matters.
Despite what many say about Buffalo being dead, it is really a active family.
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#10 Jul 1, 2017
Another thing interesting is that Colombo soldier Lorenzo Giannone moved to Montreal in the late 1950's. He was related to the Fontanas in the Colombo family. He had a small crew that ran loan sharking, burglaries, and crap games. He went missing in 1968. I only stumbled upon him when reading a file on Nick Rizzuto, stating that Nick took over Greco crew and was having problems with Giannone over territory.
Frank

Chicago, IL

#11 Jul 1, 2017
Gentile wrote:
Another thing interesting is that Colombo soldier Lorenzo Giannone moved to Montreal in the late 1950's. He was related to the Fontanas in the Colombo family. He had a small crew that ran loan sharking, burglaries, and crap games. He went missing in 1968. I only stumbled upon him when reading a file on Nick Rizzuto, stating that Nick took over Greco crew and was having problems with Giannone over territory.
Speaking of active families are the Pittsburg and Bufalino families still active?
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#12 Jul 1, 2017
Frank wrote:
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Speaking of active families are the Pittsburg and Bufalino families still active?
No. Pittsburgh is not an active family anymore, there are about a dozen people still active in and around the city and the Pittsburgh family old territories, only two are made, and the rest are associates. The Genovese family made one member who is in his 60's in the area, and the outfit made another member who lives in southern California who is in his mid 50's, that is about it. Bufalino is dead, with the last member seemingly joined the Philadelphia family.
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#13 Jul 2, 2017
When I say last member, I am talking about Charlie Lips, as he is one of two in good standing in LCN, the other is retired member Tony Mosco. Big Billy testified for a grand jury, and Pat died a few years ago.
Frank

Joliet, IL

#14 Jul 2, 2017
Gentile wrote:
When I say last member, I am talking about Charlie Lips, as he is one of two in good standing in LCN, the other is retired member Tony Mosco. Big Billy testified for a grand jury, and Pat died a few years ago.
I was just reading where Bufalino could have had Giancana and Rosselli whacked with Accardo approval
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#15 Jul 2, 2017
On John Papalia, he went to Montreal in 1951 after he got out of prison. He hooked up with the Cotroni brothers, Violi brothers, and Frank Petrula who would join Carmine Galante. 1955 he was rumored to have gone along with Paolo Violi to Toronto on a hit as a favor to Buffalo capo Volpe who operated in Toronto. 1955 he was shot and wounded while collecting money from a Cotroni owned strip club. The shooting is listed as someone muscling in Bonanno turf, but underworld sources say it was retaliation for the Toronto hit. 1957, questioned and suspected in the disappearance of Frank Petrula. 1958, spotted meeting and greeting Bonanno soldier Salvatore Giglio at the airport who would remain in Montreal. He partnered up with Vincent Mauro in narcotic trafficking. He started is first legal business with his cousin Ned Italino Monarch Vending Machines, joined up with Albert Agguci with Volpe blessing to become part owner of Toronto Star Vending Machine Company.1958-1959 after Giussepe Cotroni, Carmine Galante, Joe Violi, Carlo DeLuca and others are busted for various narcotic charges, he spends more time with Volpe in Toronto and soon after joins the Buffalo family maybe around 1960.
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#16 Jul 3, 2017
Frank wrote:
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I was just reading where Bufalino could have had Giancana and Rosselli whacked with Accardo approval
I call bullshit on Giancana. Johnny Rosselli I believe and I will tell you why. When Rosario Bufalino came to power, and even when he was the underboss to Joe, he met with heavy resistance from Rosselli in Los Angeles area on some venues, and thus had to do business in Northern California with the Lanza brothers in San Francisco, and the Sciortino brothers of San Jose, and again after Appalachian meeting, he had to use Frank Adragna and Salvatore Marino of Pittsburgh to get Frank Lanza and Joe Cerrito to agree in letting Joe Barbara nephew Gino operate in the bay area, when Rosselli told Frank DeSimone to turn Gino away. Then in 1961 Joe Bonanno invited Johnny Rosselli and Joey Giammona to a meeting in getting rid or DeSimone and allowing Rosselli to take over the Los Angeles family. Rosselli told DeSimone about the plot and DeSimone made a trip to New York to tell Lucchese, most people say and think it was Carlo Gambino, but Gambino was not the top dog in New York until after 1968. Well this gets out and Accardo, Giancana, Ricca and many in the Outfit lose respect for Rosselli. Then his name pops up again in 1962, when former Bonanno capo Antonio Bello now living in San Diego has a meeting with Frank B, in removing Frank DeSimone and having Bill Bonanno taking over the Los Angeles family. This drew a lot more anger from Chicago, but it was Santo Trafficante Jr, Frank Diecidue of Tampa, and Michele Miranda of the Genovese family who called BS as Johnny was in Tampa that whole week discussing plans in starting up a underground casino in Orlando Florida. Side note, this is why the Genovese and Tampa families were backing up Joe Bonanno during the Bonanno war, plus the Diecidues knew Joe Maglicco was a weasel who would do anything to get to the top or save his own life.
Frank

Joliet, IL

#17 Jul 3, 2017
Gentile wrote:
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I call bullshit on Giancana. Johnny Rosselli I believe and I will tell you why. When Rosario Bufalino came to power, and even when he was the underboss to Joe, he met with heavy resistance from Rosselli in Los Angeles area on some venues, and thus had to do business in Northern California with the Lanza brothers in San Francisco, and the Sciortino brothers of San Jose, and again after Appalachian meeting, he had to use Frank Adragna and Salvatore Marino of Pittsburgh to get Frank Lanza and Joe Cerrito to agree in letting Joe Barbara nephew Gino operate in the bay area, when Rosselli told Frank DeSimone to turn Gino away. Then in 1961 Joe Bonanno invited Johnny Rosselli and Joey Giammona to a meeting in getting rid or DeSimone and allowing Rosselli to take over the Los Angeles family. Rosselli told DeSimone about the plot and DeSimone made a trip to New York to tell Lucchese, most people say and think it was Carlo Gambino, but Gambino was not the top dog in New York until after 1968. Well this gets out and Accardo, Giancana, Ricca and many in the Outfit lose respect for Rosselli. Then his name pops up again in 1962, when former Bonanno capo Antonio Bello now living in San Diego has a meeting with Frank B, in removing Frank DeSimone and having Bill Bonanno taking over the Los Angeles family. This drew a lot more anger from Chicago, but it was Santo Trafficante Jr, Frank Diecidue of Tampa, and Michele Miranda of the Genovese family who called BS as Johnny was in Tampa that whole week discussing plans in starting up a underground casino in Orlando Florida. Side note, this is why the Genovese and Tampa families were backing up Joe Bonanno during the Bonanno war, plus the Diecidues knew Joe Maglicco was a weasel who would do anything to get to the top or save his own life.
Yes I don't believe everything I read. The book by Sheeran was interesting and I do believe that he could have pulled the trigger on Hoffa. The Joey Gallo hit I think it's been proven he was not responsible for. So that kind of makes me wonder if he is lying about Hoffa. Have read things about Chicago Detroit and NY. ordering hit. Probably a commission hit. Read it was all Detroit that carried out hit Giacolones in charge of it.
Frank

Joliet, IL

#18 Jul 3, 2017
Frank wrote:
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Yes I don't believe everything I read. The book by Sheeran was interesting and I do believe that he could have pulled the trigger on Hoffa. The Joey Gallo hit I think it's been proven he was not responsible for. So that kind of makes me wonder if he is lying about Hoffa. Have read things about Chicago Detroit and NY. ordering hit. Probably a commission hit. Read it was all Detroit that carried out hit Giacolones in charge of it.
Also I read it was Chicago and Kansas City that really wanted Hoffa dead. Maybe then the Commission turned over contract to Bufalino or Detroit. Genovese probably wanted him dead too. I believe Giancana hit was in house Chicago Outfit business over Sam not paying tribute from his casino deals
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#19 Jul 3, 2017
Frank wrote:
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Yes I don't believe everything I read. The book by Sheeran was interesting and I do believe that he could have pulled the trigger on Hoffa. The Joey Gallo hit I think it's been proven he was not responsible for. So that kind of makes me wonder if he is lying about Hoffa. Have read things about Chicago Detroit and NY. ordering hit. Probably a commission hit. Read it was all Detroit that carried out hit Giacolones in charge of it.
Sheeran was not on the Hoffa hit. There were six men in on it and one will be most likely unnamed for the rest of the life. Hoffa was taken to Carlo Licata's house, who was present and the son of Nick Licata of Los Angeles. Jackie G made his bones on this with a rope and strangled hoffa as he walked through the garage door connecting the house, he hid behind the the door and strangled hoffa, but Jimmy put up a fight and Billy Jack had to hold Hoffa legs. The other two who were present were Jimmy Q and Boss I, both would take the body to an incinerator at a junkyard. The six man is unknown, but it sure as he'll was not Sheeran. The families that invested in Las Vegas saw Fritzsimmons as a punk, where Hoffa would not turnover unless there was something in it for him and the teamsters.
Gentile

Cullman, AL

#20 Jul 3, 2017
Frank wrote:
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Also I read it was Chicago and Kansas City that really wanted Hoffa dead. Maybe then the Commission turned over contract to Bufalino or Detroit. Genovese probably wanted him dead too. I believe Giancana hit was in house Chicago Outfit business over Sam not paying tribute from his casino deals
It was supposed to be Bozzi in my post. Yes, everyone had a piece of Hoffa, but Detroit had the biggest claim, therefor they carried out the hit. Giancana hit was done by Chicago. Tampa could not have sent someone there and get away with it.

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