why don't creationists tell the truth?

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Paul Scott

Manassas, VA

#1 May 29, 2017
Creationism has been categorically destroyed by the observed facts science supplies. There is no debate about this and a child knows the difference between a guess and an observed fact. Creationists are deliberate liars.
pshun2404

Cambridge, MA

#2 May 30, 2017
And you observed raw matter becoming living organisms?

And you observed single celled creatures becoming multicelled organisms?

And you observed old world monkeys becoming apes?

Yes indeed, a child does know the difference between a guess and an observed fact...sad so many adults do not...
pshun2404

Cambridge, MA

#3 Jun 1, 2017
Wow Paul! I thought for sure someone from one of the the troll clubs would jump all over this with all their meaningless insults and false accusations..not even one taker.

It was a fine premise, thank you...sorry no one took up the gauntlet.
Endofdays

Grande Prairie, Canada

#5 Jun 5, 2017
Paul Scott wrote:
Creationism has been categorically destroyed by the observed facts science supplies. There is no debate about this and a child knows the difference between a guess and an observed fact. Creationists are deliberate liars.
How do you know man evolved,when no one has the luxury of actually observing it?
How come there are no divergent lines of humans in existence,the whole human race can still interbreed.

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#8 Jun 16, 2017
Endofdays wrote:
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How do you know man evolved,when no one has the luxury of actually observing it?
How come there are no divergent lines of humans in existence,the whole human race can still interbreed.
The fossilized records speaks for itself.

Since: May 17

Orlando, FL

#9 Jun 17, 2017
Endofdays wrote:
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How do you know man evolved,when no one has the luxury of actually observing it?
How do you know that G-d exists if you've never had the luxury of actually observing Him?
pshun2404

Cambridge, MA

#10 Jun 17, 2017
Al Caplan wrote:
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How do you know that G-d exists if you've never had the luxury of actually observing Him?
the same way you know that gravity exists (which you also cannot observe) we observe His effect on us

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#11 Jun 17, 2017
pshun2404 wrote:
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the same way you know that gravity exists (which you also cannot observe) we observe His effect on us
Oh, do explain that one to us, won't you? And why does the Bible have so many contradictions contained within its scrips? Is it that lame that it can't even keep its stories straight?

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#12 Jun 17, 2017
pshun2404 wrote:
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the same way you know that gravity exists (which you also cannot observe) we observe His effect on us
Oh, and we indeed CAN observe gravitys effects on us, so just how did you observe the effects of your deity again?
Endofdays

Grande Prairie, Canada

#13 Jun 17, 2017
North Mountain wrote:
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Oh, and we indeed CAN observe gravitys effects on us, so just how did you observe the effects of your deity again?
I will demonstrate that your boss the devil exists,when I tell you truth,he will encourage you to mock it
Endofdays

Grande Prairie, Canada

#14 Jun 17, 2017
North Mountain wrote:
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Oh, do explain that one to us, won't you? And why does the Bible have so many contradictions contained within its scrips? Is it that lame that it can't even keep its stories straight?
The seeming contradictions you mention,arise from conflicted hearts trying to grapple with eternal truths.It is impossible for confusion to see truth,therefore it twists what it sees to its own destruction. The exact scenario of the Garden of Eden,repeated here in our own day.
Endofdays

Grande Prairie, Canada

#15 Jun 17, 2017
Al Caplan wrote:
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How do you know that G-d exists if you've never had the luxury of actually observing Him?
He has spoken to me,but you will not believe,the responsibility rests with you now.

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#16 Jun 18, 2017
Endofdays wrote:
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The seeming contradictions you mention,arise from conflicted hearts trying to grapple with eternal truths.It is impossible for confusion to see truth,therefore it twists what it sees to its own destruction. The exact scenario of the Garden of Eden,repeated here in our own day.
Why's that? Can't god tell us on his own? Can he not show himself to everyone and at the same time?
It shouldn't be that hard ya know? Being that he is the supposed 'creator' and all.

And what's being repeated? The lies of men telling stories that some are only too happy to believe in? Then why not believe in the story of Alice in Wonderland? Isn't it full of truths? Lmao!

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#17 Jun 18, 2017
North Mountain wrote:
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Oh, and we indeed CAN observe gravitys effects on us, so just how did you observe the effects of your deity again?
By following the outlined protocols we derive the same results, the transformed lives, the personal experiences outside the materialists "natural order", indisputable prescience of some prophetic utterances, so many who have seen or heard some manifestation of this being or their representative throughout time, the effect this has had on changing the world historically and politically, and more.

And your first rant is just that of someone who has no education regarding anything more than what they have been taught who falls for the explanations and accusations of those who hold their own pre-supposed conclusions.

And YES we CAN observe the effects of gravity, that was MY point, thanks for agreeing.
pshun2404

Cambridge, MA

#18 Jun 18, 2017
North Mountain wrote:
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Why's that? Can't god tell us on his own? Can he not show himself to everyone and at the same time?
It shouldn't be that hard ya know? Being that he is the supposed 'creator' and all.

And what's being repeated? The lies of men telling stories that some are only too happy to believe in? Then why not believe in the story of Alice in Wonderland? Isn't it full of truths? Lmao!
In your present mental state if God did speak or show up you would probably either drop dead or actually allow yourself to be put on psychotropic drugs that would make you insane. There is no justification for accepting the premise there can be no God. It is irrational and illogical.

You can be an honest agnostic and say could be might be but I have no reason at this point to believe it but to be a staunch atheist is imaginary at best. To assume you can know there is no God is the ultimate unfoundeed hybris.

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#19 Jun 18, 2017
pshun2404 wrote:
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By following the outlined protocols we derive the same results, the transformed lives, the personal experiences outside the materialists "natural order", indisputable prescience of some prophetic utterances, so many who have seen or heard some manifestation of this being or their representative throughout time, the effect this has had on changing the world historically and politically, and more.

And your first rant is just that of someone who has no education regarding anything more than what they have been taught who falls for the explanations and accusations of those who hold their own pre-supposed conclusions.

And YES we CAN observe the effects of gravity, that was MY point, thanks for agreeing.
Hahahaha! And I ranted? Priceless!:))
You've obviously associated your own 'feelings' and are trying to use that as evidence to beck your claim that god exists when it means nothing of the sort.

Come, come now. Please explain to me how this god will not show itself to the masses, and at the same time?
As I've said, it shouldn't be that hard for it to show itself since your biblical narrative states that it is the master and creator of this universe. But I'll bet it's nothing but a sham to get you to believe in someone else stereotypical musings.

Tell me, if you will, what does god say about killings?
Endofdays

Grande Prairie, Canada

#20 Jun 18, 2017
North Mountain wrote:
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Hahahaha! And I ranted? Priceless!:))
You've obviously associated your own 'feelings' and are trying to use that as evidence to beck your claim that god exists when it means nothing of the sort.

Come, come now. Please explain to me how this god will not show itself to the masses, and at the same time?
As I've said, it shouldn't be that hard for it to show itself since your biblical narrative states that it is the master and creator of this universe. But I'll bet it's nothing but a sham to get you to believe in someone else stereotypical musings.

Tell me, if you will, what does god say about killings?
Perhaps you need to 'tune in' in order to see God
pshun2404

Cambridge, MA

#21 Jun 18, 2017
North Mountain wrote:
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Hahahaha! And I ranted? Priceless!:))
You've obviously associated your own 'feelings' and are trying to use that as evidence to beck your claim that god exists when it means nothing of the sort.

Come, come now. Please explain to me how this god will not show itself to the masses, and at the same time?
As I've said, it shouldn't be that hard for it to show itself since your biblical narrative states that it is the master and creator of this universe. But I'll bet it's nothing but a sham to get you to believe in someone else stereotypical musings.

Tell me, if you will, what does god say about killings?
“how this god will not”

The question should be “why” not “how” and one cannot speak to motive or intent for any other person.

Second question “what does God think about killings is probably too much for you...but IF you actually read through my subsequent posts you may get a hint...
pshun2404

Cambridge, MA

#22 Jun 18, 2017
God has made it plain that he takes,“…no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that they would turn from their ways and live“(Ezekiel 33:11)! God is willing to show mercy even to murderers, like King David or Saint Paul, so long as they sincerely repent! That does not mean that if they are caught civilly that should not pay the penalty of law. Do not forget though that unlike humans the LORD discerns the things of the heart.
when God says, you shall not kill, that does not mean in an absolute sense, as you will see, for we must first understand what He is saying here, and in order to do that, we must discern what He means here by the word “kill” in the commandment (which is literally to murder) as opposed to what is meant in other places the translators also called “kill”! There are three different words used for killing in the Old Testament. So in order to uncover the circumstances or events under which killing is sometimes allowed, one must take into account the context of the act and which word is being used.
The Hebrew word “rasah” or “rashah”, as it is used here in the 6th Commandment refers most specifically to premeditated murder without just cause. However, it can also be used in the sense of manslaughter, as when one kills by mistake, or without intent, like in the case of Numbers 25:11; Deuteronomy 4:42, 19:4, Joshua 20:3-5, and elsewhere! Thus in Hebrew the specific meaning of this word must always be determined by its’ context. We must always see it in relation to the surrounding statements. In the commandments it is absolute and the law is conditional…

Sin is a transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4) and there are actually 613 commandments…the soul that sins it must die is called the curse of the law but actually goes all the way back to the garden and what is really being said is that sin brings forth sickness and death (spiritual death).

Next, we have the word “hemit”, which carries no sense of guilt or iniquity and is used in the case of righteous capital punishment, or when the killing is the result of an attack from a wild beast, and so on! The root of this word is related to the word “emet” or truth. We see this usage in Leviticus 20:4; Numbers 35:19-21; Deuteronomy 13:10 (your passage) and Deuteronomy 17:7!

Finally, when God orders the execution or destruction of an individual or group (like when He commands Joshua at the five cities of Canaan), the word “haraq” is used (See Genesis 20:4; Exodus 4:23, etc.). This form of killing is used specifically in the prevention of foreseen evils beyond our comprehension. By eliminating these people, God is actually sparing millions of people the pain, disease, suffering, and death that they would have caused. It would be used for example in eliminating an Adolph Hitler. There is absolutely nothing evil in this, in fact it is very good. Therefore, this form of killing is always just, whether or not we finite humans can see the full implications of His doing it.
pshun2404

Cambridge, MA

#23 Jun 18, 2017
Now to demonstrate a sense of justifiable killing that is not murder

Imagine in the human body, each cell as an individual life form, which actually it is. They each likewise function as part of a specific local community (the heart, the lungs, the blood stream, etc.,). Different cells, and groups of cells, display differences in structure, appearance, life-span, function, etc., just like different humans and groups of humans! Each cell in relation to the other cells, and as a member of their particular cellular community, knowingly or unknowingly works as an intricate part of a whole which is greater than the sum of its parts. The human host, of which it is but a tiny almost insignificant part, is as the Lord is to us, in relation to the members of His body. The individual cell’s instinctual purpose, like our own, is to work to maintain and protect its self life, as well as the goals of its community life.

One of the ways they assure the survival of their type is through self-replication or offspring. Their higher purpose is actually to achieve our will and our good purpose though they are most probably totally unaware, or only vaguely, that we, as their human host, even exists. They understand little if anything about us, and our ways are higher than their ways, our thoughts are higher than their thoughts, if indeed it can be said that they even have any. They go about more or less doing the right thing in relation to one another unaware of the part they are playing in working within our overall purpose and will. Beyond their circumstantial perceptions they are working and interacting to optimize our quality of life and helping to fulfill our long term plans.

Now then, each individual cell is created in our image. They contain the image of their host within each of them (called DNA). They probably can sense an order and function interactively to enhance their mutually dependable existence. The span of their existence may be miniscule in relation to their human host, but to them it is a lifetime.

Sad as this truth is, every once in a while, a cell or some group of cells, decides they are going to do their own thing. They’re going to be their own lord if you will. They seemingly become self-willed and rebellious toward the established order. They begin to gain new converts so to speak, in great numbers, and nothing is going to stop them from their plan to take over. We call this actual biological phenomena is what we call “Cancer”! These terrorist or barbarous cells literally go into attack mode and start sapping the life out of the surrounding cells, killing as many as necessary in pursuit of their self-willed agenda.

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