Teen Love Triangle Murderer Gets 27 Y...

Teen Love Triangle Murderer Gets 27 Years

There are 33 comments on the WSEE-TV Erie story from Sep 3, 2010, titled Teen Love Triangle Murderer Gets 27 Years. In it, WSEE-TV Erie reports that:

Sarah Ludemann, Josh Camacho and Rachel Wade CLEARWATER, Fla. Rachel Wade, the teenage girl who murdered her romantic rival, Sarah Ludemann, was sentenced Friday in a Florida courtroom to 27 years in prison.

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Ocean56

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#22 Sep 6, 2010
2 Sides wrote:
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Keep in mind that Rachel and Sara are teenagers. Your logic makes total sense to an adult- but these were kids who don't have the experience that most adults do to make rational decisions. Rachel had recently got her own apartment too, so it's not like she had parents who were there to see that she was being harrassed. I think it was unfair that Sara's e-mails, texts and voicemails and all her actions were not taken into account by the jury to show them that Rachel WAS on the defense from Sara. It would have explained her behavior more then just making her out to be a monster.
Is that your argument, really, that "Rachel and Sarah were teenagers," so they are somehow "not responsible" for the conduct they engage in? If it is, the argument fails miserably. It is my understanding that Sarah Ludemann was 18, Rachel Wade 19 when the stabbing took place. In my opinion, both young women were certainly old enough to know better.

Whatever Ms. Ludemann's conduct was, she is still the murder victim in this case. Just because one is anywhere from 18-21 doesn't give one the excuse to engage in criminal conduct, especially one young person STABBING another.
Ocean56

AOL

#23 Sep 6, 2010
Traci wrote:
@ocean56
Sarah got what she deserved under FL law.You saw the other cases,is there a difference? Rachel wasn't out dealing drugs,nor did she drive to someone else's house toting a gun.

I guess if I knew where you lived you wouldn't mind if I came by tonight with 2 friends and whopped your behind? I mean that's totally acceptable to you isn't it? And what would you do? hide? would you hide forever? Rachel called the police they did nothing.
WOW. So in your opinion, Sarah Ludemann deserved to be MURDERED? That's one of the most callous statements I've ever read. You can trot out all the other cases you want. They do NOT convince me that your heartless and callous statement that "Sarah got what she deserved" (YOUR words, remember) is in any way true.

As to your second paragraph, you should be very careful about making veiled THREATS against people simply because they might disagree with you. Do you make a habit of doing that? I seriously hope not.
Traci

Frederick, MD

#24 Sep 6, 2010
Sarah Ludemann went to a location where Rachel Wade was and ASSAULTED HER.Under FL law she was not murdered.I've shown ample proof that similar cases,including a drug dealer,killed in self defense and were not charged.Again read the statute.If you are going on emotion that the dead is a teen girl and not the law,so be it.If you aren't capable of comprehending that,that is sad.The same prosecutors tried this BS on another man,and guess what? HE'S FREE!!!

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/08/news_pf/Hil...

Fools like you drank the Kool-Aid here and it didn't work.The law is the law not emotions.

I made no threat,I asked you hypothetically,If you find nothing wrong with people coming to you in the night and whooping your butt?

How is that a threat to you,but NOT Rachel Wade? I guess you wouldn't like it based on your response so you proved my point.It's a threat to YOU but okay for Rachel Wade. Hypocrite!
Traci

Frederick, MD

#25 Sep 6, 2010
Ocean56 wrote:
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Is that your argument, really, that "Rachel and Sarah were teenagers," so they are somehow "not responsible" for the conduct they engage in? If it is, the argument fails miserably. It is my understanding that Sarah Ludemann was 18, Rachel Wade 19 when the stabbing took place. In my opinion, both young women were certainly old enough to know better.
Whatever Ms. Ludemann's conduct was, she is still the murder victim in this case. Just because one is anywhere from 18-21 doesn't give one the excuse to engage in criminal conduct, especially one young person STABBING another.
Sarah Ludemann was no more a "murder" victim than someone who assaults a cop and gets their head blown off.Gee would she be "murdered" if she pulled the same stunt on a cop,grabbing her by the hair ,punching her in the head 3 times? Try that on a female cop and see what happens.

Read the law in FL. Once you start assaulting someone you are fair game.
Ocean56

AOL

#26 Sep 8, 2010
Traci wrote:
Sarah Ludemann went to a location where Rachel Wade was and ASSAULTED HER.Under FL law she was not murdered.I've shown ample proof that similar cases,including a drug dealer,killed in self defense and were not charged.Again read the statute.If you are going on emotion that the dead is a teen girl and not the law,so be it.If you aren't capable of comprehending that,that is sad.The same prosecutors tried this BS on another man,and guess what? HE'S FREE!!!
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/08/news_pf/Hil...
Fools like you drank the Kool-Aid here and it didn't work.The law is the law not emotions.
I made no threat,I asked you hypothetically,If you find nothing wrong with people coming to you in the night and whooping your butt?
How is that a threat to you,but NOT Rachel Wade? I guess you wouldn't like it based on your response so you proved my point.It's a threat to YOU but okay for Rachel Wade. Hypocrite!
It certainly comes across as a threat to me, but at this point, it is irrelevant. Rachel Wade has been sentenced to 27 years in prison, and IMO she's very lucky she didn't receive a much stiffer sentence from the judge. You can make lame excuses for Rachel Wade all you want, but none of them convince me that her criminal actions were justified. Her excuses didn't convince the jury either, which was why the jurors found her GUILTY of second-degree murder.

Rachel Wade has the right to appeal the decision, but I seriously doubt that the appeal will be successful. The facts of the case were very damaging to her, and will probably prevent the conviction from being overturned. I just hope she will learn a few things while she's in prison. Sarah Ludemann won't get that chance, will she.
Traci

Frederick, MD

#27 Sep 8, 2010
You are completely ignorant.Of course the jury convicted her when the judge wouldn't let ANYTHING bad about Ludemann come in.That is WHY.They weren't shown the police reports where she admitted chasing Rachel's car,sending her threats via email,assaulting her with spray cans.

The only "excuse" was some fat nut came to beat her up,Sarah Ludemann should have went home,the home she passed to go assault Wade with her hoodrat trashy friends.

Run up to a police officer and pull her hair and punch her in the head 3 times,see what happens to you? You will resemble swiss cheese and it won't be murder.Sarah Ludemann is dead because Sarah Ludemann made the choice to commit an assault.

Rachel Wade had a right to a fair trial,info about the dead girls past violence and threats,harassment,was excluded.That is illegal.She will be out in 27 months most likely.If that info is irrelevant,why hide it? The REASON she is afraid of her,is relevant,

Take it as whatever you want,obviously,when it comes to someone assaulting you,it's suddenly not alright.
Ocean56

AOL

#28 Sep 9, 2010
Traci wrote:
You are completely ignorant.Of course the jury convicted her when the judge wouldn't let ANYTHING bad about Ludemann come in.That is WHY.They weren't shown the police reports where she admitted chasing Rachel's car,sending her threats via email,assaulting her with spray cans.
The only "excuse" was some fat nut came to beat her up,Sarah Ludemann should have went home,the home she passed to go assault Wade with her hoodrat trashy friends.
Run up to a police officer and pull her hair and punch her in the head 3 times,see what happens to you? You will resemble swiss cheese and it won't be murder.Sarah Ludemann is dead because Sarah Ludemann made the choice to commit an assault.
Rachel Wade had a right to a fair trial,info about the dead girls past violence and threats,harassment,was excluded.That is illegal.She will be out in 27 months most likely.If that info is irrelevant,why hide it? The REASON she is afraid of her,is relevant,
Take it as whatever you want,obviously,when it comes to someone assaulting you,it's suddenly not alright.
We can go back and forth on this constantly, but for me it has become a waste of time. If YOU want to believe the nonsense you are spewing, that is your right.

If you're convinced Rachel Wade "will be out in 27 months," that's your right too, but I seriously doubt that will happen. And I seriously hope it WON'T. Twenty-seven months is two years and three months, so I won't be sticking around this board that long.
2 Sides

Morris, IL

#29 Sep 9, 2010
I may be mistaken but it's my understanding she has to serve 85% of the 27 year sentence and then she can get out on good behavior. At any rte- she will be able to have a life when she is released.
Kissmygrits69

Smithville, TN

#30 Mar 1, 2016
Ocean56 wrote:
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We can go back and forth on this constantly, but for me it has become a waste of time. If YOU want to believe the nonsense you are spewing, that is your right.
If you're convinced Rachel Wade "will be out in 27 months," that's your right too, but I seriously doubt that will happen. And I seriously hope it WON'T. Twenty-seven months is two years and three months, so I won't be sticking around this board that long.
Sara went looking for trouble she even brought 2 other bitches with her she had more on her mind than just talking. Rachel was right to defend herself and I hope her convictions overturned and she sues the state and wins! Sara went looking for trouble and damn sure found it! Sara was a lot of things but a victim is not one of them.
Kissmygrits69

Smithville, TN

#31 Mar 1, 2016
Ocean56 wrote:
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It certainly comes across as a threat to me, but at this point, it is irrelevant. Rachel Wade has been sentenced to 27 years in prison, and IMO she's very lucky she didn't receive a much stiffer sentence from the judge. You can make lame excuses for Rachel Wade all you want, but none of them convince me that her criminal actions were justified. Her excuses didn't convince the jury either, which was why the jurors found her GUILTY of second-degree murder.
Rachel Wade has the right to appeal the decision, but I seriously doubt that the appeal will be successful. The facts of the case were very damaging to her, and will probably prevent the conviction from being overturned. I just hope she will learn a few things while she's in prison. Sarah Ludemann won't get that chance, will she.
Sara was many things but a victim is not one of them! Rachel had every right to defend herself when Sara and her bad bitch crew went looking for Rachel to harm or kill her! Why would you uphold Sara when she was clearly in the wrong. Rachel shouldn't even be in prison Sara thought she was a bad bitch and went looking for trouble and she dank sure found it.Now all yall wanna defend poor Sara because she died. Sara was a bully and instigator and now she will never be able to torture anyone else again. You Sara supporters make me sick!
Kissmygrits69

Smithville, TN

#32 Mar 1, 2016
Ocean56 wrote:
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WOW. So in your opinion, Sarah Ludemann deserved to be MURDERED? That's one of the most callous statements I've ever read. You can trot out all the other cases you want. They do NOT convince me that your heartless and callous statement that "Sarah got what she deserved" (YOUR words, remember) is in any way true.
As to your second paragraph, you should be very careful about making veiled THREATS against people simply because they might disagree with you. Do you make a habit of doing that? I seriously hope not.
Sara was a bully Rachel was a victim! Rachel had every right to defend herself when Sara's far add brought 2 other bitches with her to assault harm and possibly kill Rachel! Sara found someone who wouldn't be her victim. I thank God everyday that Sara is not around anymore to bully harm or try to kill another person!
Kissmygrits69

Smithville, TN

#33 Mar 1, 2016
The only ones on here supporting Sara Ludderman are probably her attention seeking camera hogging friends that's on all the T.V. programs talking about the trial and what happened. Point Blank Rachel was the VICTIM and Sara was the BULLY who went looking for trouble and dank sure found it! Do I feel sorry for Sara HELL NO that's what happens when you play the bad bitch and assalt someone!
funny chit

United States

#34 Mar 27, 2017
You got Stabbed in the heart & your to blame, you gave love a bad name lol.

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