expect mediocrity, achieve mediocrity

expect mediocrity, achieve mediocrity

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#1 May 16, 2018
I see this in the SRS ad frequently and consider it very apropos for the city of Independence. From city manager to city clerk, the commissioners and city leaders have never sought excellence in their employees, so they've gotten mediocre to poor. I doubt the city books and financial condition has ever been in poorer shape, and it's all due to not expecting anything more. The quest for mediocrity extends to several other city groups including the chamber, main street and mcac. With the lack of experience and qualifications these leaders have, it's no wonder we see no accomplishments for years. With the next city leader, the position should be left unfilled until a good qualified candidate is found. Hopefully commissioners are already considering seeking a replacement.
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#2 May 16, 2018
Never had a boss that settled for “good enough to get by.” Never had a boss that let me disrespect him. Never had a boss that was ok with losing the company money. Many of these places are worst than mediocre and will stay that way until someone puts their foot down and says that’s not good enough. Whitehead has to be fired. They shouldn’t hire someone that isn’t the best city manager ever. We’re a small and not very rich town, but that doesn’t mean we don’t deserve the best. I think that could finally happen if Whitehead was sent on his way. All he’s done is take our money and waste our time.
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#3 May 16, 2018
ghost town coming wrote:
I see this in the SRS ad frequently and consider it very apropos for the city of Independence. From city manager to city clerk, the commissioners and city leaders have never sought excellence in their employees, so they've gotten mediocre to poor. I doubt the city books and financial condition has ever been in poorer shape, and it's all due to not expecting anything more. The quest for mediocrity extends to several other city groups including the chamber, main street and mcac. With the lack of experience and qualifications these leaders have, it's no wonder we see no accomplishments for years. With the next city leader, the position should be left unfilled until a good qualified candidate is found. Hopefully commissioners are already considering seeking a replacement.
You think you know everything
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#4 May 16, 2018
Most employees in the private sector would lose their jobs if they didn't do them, if they were insubordinate to their bosses, or if their actions lost the company millions of dollars.

Unfortunately, employers in the public sector, like Whitehead, are fine to just let things go in any direction, even if that direction is bad (as is the case with the year-long city finance disaster). Even when helpful suggestions have been offered, they're ignored. Our only hope is that two commissioners will let Whitehead know his brand of city management isn't working for us, and will let him go.
Stop the madness

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#5 May 16, 2018
so true wrote:
Most employees in the private sector would lose their jobs if they didn't do them, if they were insubordinate to their bosses, or if their actions lost the company millions of dollars.

Unfortunately, employers in the public sector, like Whitehead, are fine to just let things go in any direction, even if that direction is bad (as is the case with the year-long city finance disaster). Even when helpful suggestions have been offered, they're ignored. Our only hope is that two commissioners will let Whitehead know his brand of city management isn't working for us, and will let him go.
DEBBIE why dont you get a life or get back on your meds you are a certified nut we all know so true, is you.All you can say is fire fire fire you ever think that after so many people you want to fire that just maybe it is you with the problem.GET A LIFE.

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#6 May 17, 2018
Stop the madness wrote:
<quoted text>DEBBIE why dont you get a life or get back on your meds you are a certified nut we all know so true, is you.All you can say is fire fire fire you ever think that after so many people you want to fire that just maybe it is you with the problem.GET A LIFE.
So you seriously think Whitehead should be kept on and that he's doing a good job. Next you'll say Independence is prospering. We've already heard that from Hogsett. The fire/fire/fire come from having so many mediocre or poorer employees who are not doing their jobs and have no idea of what the city needs.
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#7 May 17, 2018
Stop the madness wrote:
<quoted text>DEBBIE why dont you get a life or get back on your meds you are a certified nut we all know so true, is you.All you can say is fire fire fire you ever think that after so many people you want to fire that just maybe it is you with the problem.GET A LIFE.
Our streets are in a horrible state of deterioration, but Whitehead hasn't done anything to start improving them, so tell us how you think they're going to start being repaired.

Water that we pay to treat is seeping through broken pipes, ponding in the streets, doing damage to the streets, but Whitehead hasn't done anything to fix them, so tell us how you think those pipes are going to be repaired so treated water isn't wasted.

There's been a steady flow of people in and out of emergency services, many that we've helped to train, but Whitehead hasn't done anything to try to slow down that exodus. Commissioners suggested a way that these people may want to stay with the City instead of leaving, but Whitehead just ignored them. Tell us how you think this is going to resolved.

The same is true of many other problems - Whitehead isn't interested in resolving them. So how do you think they're going to be resolved?

Since replacing Whitehead evidently is not acceptable to you, we'll look forward to hearing your take on how you think problems are going to be fixed when he's not interested in fixing them. Just hope you aren't another one of those people that calls names and tells big lies about people, but can't justify what they're saying. By the way, let's add telling us how you know Miller takes meds to your list of things you're going to tell to us.
El Dickbag

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#8 May 17, 2018
The thing I dont get about firing Whitehead is that never before have we gotten decent candidates for city manager. At this rate people are so quick to try and kick people out and pay them off I think I might apply next time to get the job on a monday and accept on wednesday and expect to be fired on Friday with a nice severance package to live on for a few years.
so true

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#9 May 17, 2018
El Dickbag wrote:
The thing I dont get about firing Whitehead is that never before have we gotten decent candidates for city manager. At this rate people are so quick to try and kick people out and pay them off I think I might apply next time to get the job on a monday and accept on wednesday and expect to be fired on Friday with a nice severance package to live on for a few years.
First of all, none of the three finalists for city manager to replace Webb was a good pick. Instead of the Commission hiring the best of the worst candidates, they should have reposted the position until they found an excellent candidate.

Secondly, we learned from Mickey Webb that instead of continuing to pay a city manager for years of unscrupulous and poor work, it's best to get rid of a poor city manager instead of keeping him on.

Thirdly, strong city manager candidates are out there, we just have to find them. An excellent example of this is the Cherryvale administrator who's doing an extremely impressive job of managing all the challenges in running that town, for half the cost of what Whitehead is being paid.

One lesson we can hope the Commissioners has learned from Whitehead, is that the next time they negotiate a contract with a city manager, they won't make it as profitable to be fired, as it is to do the job.
Stop the madness

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#10 May 17, 2018
so true wrote:
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Our streets are in a horrible state of deterioration, but Whitehead hasn't done anything to start improving them, so tell us how you think they're going to start being repaired.

Water that we pay to treat is seeping through broken pipes, ponding in the streets, doing damage to the streets, but Whitehead hasn't done anything to fix them, so tell us how you think those pipes are going to be repaired so treated water isn't wasted.

There's been a steady flow of people in and out of emergency services, many that we've helped to train, but Whitehead hasn't done anything to try to slow down that exodus. Commissioners suggested a way that these people may want to stay with the City instead of leaving, but Whitehead just ignored them. Tell us how you think this is going to resolved.

The same is true of many other problems - Whitehead isn't interested in resolving them. So how do you think they're going to be resolved?

Since replacing Whitehead evidently is not acceptable to you, we'll look forward to hearing your take on how you think problems are going to be fixed when he's not interested in fixing them. Just hope you aren't another one of those people that calls names and tells big lies about people, but can't justify what they're saying. By the way, let's add telling us how you know Miller takes meds to your list of things you're going to tell to us.
All of these problems you speak of are true but Whitehead has been here just about a year how is he supposed to solve all these problems in that time when it took years to get in this shape give the man a chance.If he fixed every problem you could think of, you would still gripe just because you are a lonely old lady getting a little attention..Have you reported the water leaks. Then you talk about how much Louis and Leonard care about the E.M.S. and fire employees leaving what do you think will happen when they get pulled out of a nice building and put back in 1916 monkey island, you just as well put a help wanted ad in the paper now. Sorry, I forgot you don't like the paper either it must be tough living in your world Debbie How many people have left since they have been in building D.
downtown clown

Gulfport, MS

#11 May 17, 2018
Firstly, Debbie Miller doesn't shit from apple butter on how to run a city. She is quick to judge and criticize. But by god if the city came up with a grand plan to fix all the crap she bitches about the cost would be so enormous she we begin another crusade against spending. You can't have it both ways. You have to pay your way. The dance is figuring out the most effective way to do that with the least encumberance on the peoples. She doesn't know half the story on most of the stuff she complains about. I think most folks find her adds to be amusing at this point. She is looking more foolish than one leading the battle cry of taxpayer righteousness.
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#12 May 17, 2018
Stop the madness wrote:
<quoted text> All of these problems you speak of are true but Whitehead has been here just about a year how is he supposed to solve all these problems in that time when it took years to get in this shape give the man a chance.If he fixed every problem you could think of, you would still gripe just because you are a lonely old lady getting a little attention..Have you reported the water leaks. Then you talk about how much Louis and Leonard care about the E.M.S. and fire employees leaving what do you think will happen when they get pulled out of a nice building and put back in 1916 monkey island, you just as well put a help wanted ad in the paper now. Sorry, I forgot you don't like the paper either it must be tough living in your world Debbie How many people have left since they have been in building D.
If you carefully followed what went on at City Hall, you would see that Whitehead's seems to have taken the position that he's only responsible for what's come across his desk since he's been city manager. That doesn't bode well for the resolution of the many problems that existed before he came here.

If you carefully followed what went on a City Hall, you would be aware that the City plans on making MAJOR RENOVATIONS to the 1916 City Hall, and on a building a BRAND NEW FACILITY for police, fire, and EMS.

If you carefully followed what went on at City Hall, you would be aware that EMS is having to be staffed by off-duty EMS personnel from other towns, or EMS personnel that once worked for the City and quit, but have been rehired as part-time workers to staff EMS. FYI: The help wanted ads have been in the paper FOR YEARS.

If you carefully followed what went on at City Hall, you would be aware that even though it's a cushy place for a relatively few city employees to work, Building D costs a fortune to keep it up, and is unsuitable for use as office space (according to the two energy experts at the last meeting).

The water leaks have been reported in the past, but nothing ever seems to be done to fix them. However, it's odd that you think a citizen should have to report them to be fixed, when everyday, city employees being paid thousands of dollars to address problems like that, drive by them.

You represent that class of people that make comments that demonstrate you have no clue what's really going on at City Hall. You also represent that class of people that are more than happy to settle for a mediocre city government, even though in the long run, that type government wastes tax dollars. Maybe you should consider becoming more informed about city affairs to avoid making any more false and misleading statements.
so true

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#13 May 17, 2018
downtown clown wrote:
Firstly, Debbie Miller doesn't shit from apple butter on how to run a city. She is quick to judge and criticize. But by god if the city came up with a grand plan to fix all the crap she bitches about the cost would be so enormous she we begin another crusade against spending. You can't have it both ways. You have to pay your way. The dance is figuring out the most effective way to do that with the least encumberance on the peoples. She doesn't know half the story on most of the stuff she complains about. I think most folks find her adds to be amusing at this point. She is looking more foolish than one leading the battle cry of taxpayer righteousness.
My guess is that lay person, including Debbie Miller, would know that allowing the city's financial records to be inaccurate for over a year, is not only completely unacceptable, but also opens the door to a possible later discovery of embezzlement. It's difficult to understand why an individual whom has allegedly had experience in municipal government can figure this out and do something about it.

Now some questions for you:

1. In the last year, taxpayers paid for a $65,000+ city facilities study, and the City had a financial expert explain how the City could fund facilities improvements (since the City's past poor performance has almost exhausted the ways those improvements could easily be funded).

This means that LAST YEAR, the City decided on what to do about city facilities, and how to fund improvements. So why has City Staff done very little to start making those improvements, especially when $400,000 a year is being spent to keep a relatively few members of City Staff in Building D?

2. You stated, "She doesn't know half the story on most of the stuff she complains about." Please give us an example of this so we can see what you're talking about.

Many of us will be looking for your replies. However, it would be helpful if your replies were factual.
El Dickbag

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#15 May 17, 2018
Building d is so comfy and cushy and city employees are paid so well yet they still cant keep it staffed?

I think people have too high of expectations. Independence is a mediocre town with mediocre people we're not special - cheap, good, fast pick two. No decent City Managers are going to come here, we might as well have the commissioners as city managers. Between the payout for building a new emergency services building and wanting to payout on the managers contract i dont see where the debbie miller bandwagon saves us any money, it sounds more like things arent happening as quick as people like. Oh well if she wants to run for commission ill vote for her, but she's apparently all talk.
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#16 May 17, 2018
El Dickbag wrote:
Building d is so comfy and cushy and city employees are paid so well yet they still cant keep it staffed?

I think people have too high of expectations. Independence is a mediocre town with mediocre people we're not special - cheap, good, fast pick two. No decent City Managers are going to come here, we might as well have the commissioners as city managers. Between the payout for building a new emergency services building and wanting to payout on the managers contract i dont see where the debbie miller bandwagon saves us any money, it sounds more like things arent happening as quick as people like. Oh well if she wants to run for commission ill vote for her, but she's apparently all talk.
If you followed what went on in City Hall, you would realize that the difficulties in keeping EMS staff on the City's payroll resulted from the City's requirement, implemented under the genius Mickey Webb, that EMS staff must also help fight fires. Many trained EMS workers have found jobs elsewhere that don't require that they also fight fires.

A survey of surrounding towns, will show they do not have this same problem, so they don't have the high turnover and expensive costs associated with constantly hiring, training, and staffing emergency personnel.

Cherryvale, too, was once a town with mediocre expectations. However, it somehow found a city administrator, at half the cost of Whitehead, who's taken on many of the serious challenges facing that community. By setting high expectations for herself and city staff, she's slowly moving that city out of a mediocre-to-poor condition.

The only people stopping Independence from moving out of mediocrity are City Manager Whitehead, and people with low or no expectations (like you). We have a City Staff with great potential. All we need is a city manager with high expectations whom will bring out that greatness.
El Dickbag

United States

#17 May 17, 2018
so true wrote:
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If you followed what went on in City Hall, you would realize that the difficulties in keeping EMS staff on the City's payroll resulted from the City's requirement, implemented under the genius Mickey Webb, that EMS staff must also help fight fires. Many trained EMS workers have found jobs elsewhere that don't require that they also fight fires.

A survey of surrounding towns, will show they do not have this same problem, so they don't have the high turnover and expensive costs associated with constantly hiring, training, and staffing emergency personnel.

Cherryvale, too, was once a town with mediocre expectations. However, it somehow found a city administrator, at half the cost of Whitehead, who's taken on many of the serious challenges facing that community. By setting high expectations for herself and city staff, she's slowly moving that city out of a mediocre-to-poor condition.

The only people stopping Independence from moving out of mediocrity are City Manager Whitehead, and people with low or no expectations (like you). We have a City Staff with great potential. All we need is a city manager with high expectations whom will bring out that greatness.
So double expenditures for two separate staffs of firefighters and emts? Do you think debbie will go for that?
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#18 May 17, 2018
El Dickbag wrote:
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So double expenditures for two separate staffs of firefighters and emts? Do you think debbie will go for that?
What do you mean by "double expenditures for two separate staffs of firefighters and emts"?
Big Mac

Cottonwood, AZ

#19 May 17, 2018
I agree fully that Independence is mediocre. But in my opinion, the two people who have done the most to ensure mediocrity are Debbie Miller and GTC. Through character assassination and a refusal to compromise collaboratively with those they instead vilify, they've ensured that most people wouldn't want to get involved.(Which, I assume, was their goal all along.)

I have heard it said that you'll never been successful as long as you are afraid to fail. They've worked very hard to make failure very painful.
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#20 May 17, 2018
Big Mac wrote:
I agree fully that Independence is mediocre. But in my opinion, the two people who have done the most to ensure mediocrity are Debbie Miller and GTC. Through character assassination and a refusal to compromise collaboratively with those they instead vilify, they've ensured that most people wouldn't want to get involved.(Which, I assume, was their goal all along.)

I have heard it said that you'll never been successful as long as you are afraid to fail. They've worked very hard to make failure very painful.
Another attempt at blaming the poor state of City affairs on two people posting on Topix, instead of poor choices made by the City. That's almost comedic and unbelievable reasoning.

If you do a little research, you'll find if the City had listened to those two people, and many other common sense people, it wouldn't be in the rut it is today, as most recently confirmed by the two energy experts that talked about the Mercy building at the last meeting, and Louis Ysusi's comment that the City should have had those energy experts appear before the Commission before it accepted that dump.

Hate to burst the bubble you're living in, but many other citizens, including business owners, retirees, working people, etc. share the views of Miller and GTC.
Stop the madness

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#21 May 17, 2018
so true wrote:
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Another attempt at blaming the poor state of City affairs on two people posting on Topix, instead of poor choices made by the City. That's almost comedic and unbelievable reasoning.

If you do a little research, you'll find if the City had listened to those two people, and many other common sense people, it wouldn't be in the rut it is today, as most recently confirmed by the two energy experts that talked about the Mercy building at the last meeting, and Louis Ysusi's comment that the City should have had those energy experts appear before the Commission before it accepted that dump.

Hate to burst the bubble you're living in, but many other citizens, including business owners, retirees, working people, etc. share the views of Miller and GTC.
Debbie Miller you really have lost your mind everyone knows So True is Debbie Miller now you are trying to pat yourself on the back, I bet you are one of those people that look in the mirror and wonder you that old crazy lady is looking back at you.PLEASE get back on your meds.

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